Support Ron Paul

Subject: Support Ron Paul Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:38 pm

here is why.......

Subject: Re: Support Ron Paul Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:30 pm

Subject: Re: Support Ron Paul Wed Jan 11, 2012 8:24 pm

Ron Paul is a babbling lunatic. He subscribes to the theory that if you say the words "constitution" and "government is bad" enough, it makes it true. There is a hair on my left testicle with a higher IQ than the guy.

Subject: Re: Support Ron Paul Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:53 pm

if you say so

Subject: Re: Support Ron Paul Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:15 pm

SlingBlade wrote:

Ron Paul is a babbling lunatic. He subscribes to the theory that if you say the words "constitution" and "government is bad" enough, it makes it true. There is a hair on my left testicle with a higher IQ than the guy.

Unfortunately, much of this generation is easily persuaded by moving images and pretending to know what you're talking about.

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Subject: Re: Support Ron Paul Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:20 pm

yup thats me. simple.

Subject: Re: Support Ron Paul Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:47 pm

Whatever happened to the guy reppin' "The Rent is Too Damn High Party"? I vote him.

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Subject: Re: Support Ron Paul Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:50 pm

your first election kunkle, how adorable.

Subject: Re: Support Ron Paul Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:42 am

The only thing I dislike about Dr. Paul(If he was such an idiot, I don't think he'd have a PHD) is his foreign policy. I dislike the idea of allowing Iran to possess nukes. Alot of people don't like this though. But, if you think from a broader spectrum, it would probably put the U.S. on much better terms with Iran. Surely they must know that if they nuked us, that would pretty much cause nuclear warfare, world-wide, thus causing mass amounts of deaths and only a very limited few to survive. I'd also be scared of what Iran might would do to Israel if we allowed them to possess nukes.

I really think this whole idea of other countries wanting to bomb other countries because they disagree with one another's relgious views, or ways of living, is the most outrageous thing ever. IF another form of life ever entered this Earth in an attempt to attack us, mankind would all come together as one to protect what is ours. People might be different all over the world, but that is there choice. This idea that people hate one another or want to attack one another because of being different, is just completely insane. I wish everyone could just realize this. Ok, I'm done ranting.

Subject: Re: Support Ron Paul Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:42 pm

IRAN nuking us is pure madness. Hypothetically say they do get a missile over here. The repercussions would be ......godlike, IRAN would cease to exist as a piece of land. I think they got a few smart people over there, smart enough to realize hitting us with a bomb is mass suicide. If i was an Iranian i would want missiles, but i would never want them used. If i was an Iranian i would HATE America and do everything in my power to remove them from my country. Don't get me wrong, I am a patriot and a I love my country, however I can be empathetic. Thats the keyword to Dr. Pauls platform: empathy.

Subject: Re: Support Ron Paul Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:56 pm

I need to go register to vote.

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Subject: Re: Support Ron Paul Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:24 pm

i think it doesnt matter what poresident we have cause the Congress Men and the Senates need to agree to pass on anything that the Presidents say

Subject: Re: Support Ron Paul Thu Jan 12, 2012 10:10 pm

Clayton Cross wrote:

i think it doesnt matter what poresident we have cause the Congress Men and the Senates need to agree to pass on anything that the Presidents say

I think we're all aware of how it happens Clayton.

Subject: Re: Support Ron Paul Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:25 am

i understand that. i just think its dumb to even care cause it has to happen like that

Subject: Re: Support Ron Paul Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:18 pm

i support ron paul and will vote for him if he wins the primary

Subject: Re: Support Ron Paul Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:10 pm

I'm A Dick wrote:

The only thing I dislike about Dr. Paul(If he was such an idiot, I don't think he'd have a PHD) is his foreign policy.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but a degree does not measure your level of intelligence. While more intelligent people tend to work towards higher degrees, have a PhD does not make you an intelligent person. I work on a team of fifteen people, with two who have Master's degrees and one who has a PhD. The person I trust most has a 4 year degree in Public Health Administration. The second most competent has a 2 year liberal arts degree from a community college. If you want Dr. Paul to deliver your baby, I would absolutely trust him with that. Running a country? He needs to prove his competence. So far, with the ideas that have come out of that old old mouth he certainly has not. Maybe I was too harsh on him before. He's not an idiot. He's just a person of average intelligence. He has nowhere near the mental capacity I would want the leader of the free world to have, at least from what I've seen.

I'm A Dick wrote:

I really think this whole idea of other countries wanting to bomb other countries because they disagree with one another's relgious views, or ways of living, is the most outrageous thing ever. IF another form of life ever entered this Earth in an attempt to attack us, mankind would all come together as one to protect what is ours. People might be different all over the world, but that is there choice. This idea that people hate one another or want to attack one another because of being different, is just completely insane. I wish everyone could just realize this. Ok, I'm done ranting.

Yes, bombing other countries because the population has a different culture is bad. Good job. Welcome to the 21st century. How do you feel about the recent NATO operation in Libya?

KingTek wrote:

IRAN nuking us is pure madness. Hypothetically say they do get a missile over here. The repercussions would be ......godlike, IRAN would cease to exist as a piece of land. I think they got a few smart people over there, smart enough to realize hitting us with a bomb is mass suicide. If i was an Iranian i would want missiles, but i would never want them used. If i was an Iranian i would HATE America and do everything in my power to remove them from my country. Don't get me wrong, I am a patriot and a I love my country, however I can be empathetic. Thats the keyword to Dr. Pauls platform: empathy.

You're right, Iran would never nuke us. They would nuke Israel. Iran and Israel have been in a sometimes-not-so-underground war since Israel's conception. You know this. You also know that Israel is an ally of the United States, for better or worse. Iran considers us their enemy. We consider their governmental structure to be corrupt and morally wrong on a number of issues; it is essentially an oligarchical theocracy that considers any variation from its principles a threat that must be destroyed, whether it has shown to be one or not. It considers us an enemy, and would crush us if given the chance. The Iranian PEOPLE on the other hand, do not necessarily see it that way. The Iranian government is not a government by the people. The Iranian government has completely stifled political competition, to the point that elections are nothing more than a show. Some Iranians see only the negative consequences of our foreign policy choices, and are fed wild conspiracies by the state run media. They are told from birth that they should run their lives a certain way, because it is the right way. They are nationalists who have been bred to hate America. Many others recognize their government as irreparable, and see the U.S. in a different light. They see us as a savior. They disagree with the forces running their lives, and are persecuted to extreme extents because of it. They protest, and sometimes are never seen again. There are also Iranians who have views everywhere in between. Factual information that has not been tampered with is a hard thing to come by in that part of the world. Poverty prevents any access to many news outlets, and the few that are prevalent are twisted by radical political and religious regimes, both pro- and anti-government.

Now tell me how to empathize with that. What type of Iranian would you be? Would you see it from the viewpoint of the government? If so, would you be the President or Supreme Leader? Or would you see it from a citizen's point of view? Pro-government or anti-government? Do you believe yourself the elections are fraudulent? Iran would still consider us an enemy, even had we never invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. The problem would not just go away.

We need to prepare for the eventuality of war with Iran, should the situation arise. We have no reason to throw the first strike (the Bush doctrine is morally unacceptable), but should Iran attack Israel, we need to be there to honor our commitment as an ally, and stop a potential genocide. And you can bet your ass that's at least part of the reason why we are still in Afghanistan. Should Iran make that move, the Iranian regime would be annihilated in a heartbeat. There are a few complications with that, however, including the extreme anti-American sentiment in Pakistan, and Iran's relations with Russia and China. Souring those relationships requires political maneuvering. Should Iran close the Straight of Hormuz as they have threatened to do, then their relations with China would begin to sour, as they are far more dependent on that oil than we are. Threatening China's economic growth is not something you want to do, considering it is main reason the Chinese government still has support of the people. Without China to back it up, Russia would never intervene on behalf of Iran. The internal political and economic strife would be too much to bear. Russia is not run by complete maniacs.

Now obviously, the best course of action would be to avoid war altogether. Although we should plan for the worst, we need to make the best of the situation. It is fairly obvious it would be much better without the current regime in power in Iran. That does not just give us the right to play world police and take it out, though. That leaves us with two options: an international agreement to intervene with a NATO operation targeting the Iranian government and its nuclear and missile programs (the complications of which have already been discussed), or promoting a legitimate overthrow of the government by the people of Iran. That would involve covert operations.

So add it all up and what does it mean? It means we would be in the situation that we are in right now. This very second. Running away and pretending everything will be alright is absolutely naive. Ron Paul treats these issues like a child. Empathy. Please. It sounds nice, but solves nothing. Total ambivalence is not a foreign policy. Isolationism was proven the wrong strategy, twice. Britain and France can attest to that.

For the record, Dr. Paul has never shown an understanding of the issues as in-depth as this. And I have a two-year degree in IT. Fuck.

Clayton Cross wrote:

i think it doesnt matter what poresident we have cause the Congress Men and the Senates need to agree to pass on anything that the Presidents say

Oh my Lord.

Subject: Re: Support Ron Paul Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:30 pm

Also, Obama never ever ever promised to end the war in Afghanistan. He did make a campaign promise to end the war in Iraq, and he followed through at the end of year three. He has supported the war in Afghanistan for at least six years.

Subject: Re: Support Ron Paul Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:36 pm

Romney has his Juris Doctor/ Masters of business admin from harvard and comes off as a complete idiot. So, a degree doesn't always means you're intelligent.

Subject: Re: Support Ron Paul Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:36 pm

SlingBlade wrote:

I'm A Dick wrote:

The only thing I dislike about Dr. Paul(If he was such an idiot, I don't think he'd have a PHD) is his foreign policy.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but a degree does not measure your level of intelligence. While more intelligent people tend to work towards higher degrees, have a PhD does not make you an intelligent person. I work on a team of fifteen people, with two who have Master's degrees and one who has a PhD. The person I trust most has a 4 year degree in Public Health Administration. The second most competent has a 2 year liberal arts degree from a community college. If you want Dr. Paul to deliver your baby, I would absolutely trust him with that. Running a country? He needs to prove his competence. So far, with the ideas that have come out of that old old mouth he certainly has not. Maybe I was too harsh on him before. He's not an idiot. He's just a person of average intelligence. He has nowhere near the mental capacity I would want the leader of the free world to have, at least from what I've seen.

I'm A Dick wrote:

I really think this whole idea of other countries wanting to bomb other countries because they disagree with one another's relgious views, or ways of living, is the most outrageous thing ever. IF another form of life ever entered this Earth in an attempt to attack us, mankind would all come together as one to protect what is ours. People might be different all over the world, but that is there choice. This idea that people hate one another or want to attack one another because of being different, is just completely insane. I wish everyone could just realize this. Ok, I'm done ranting.

Yes, bombing other countries because the population has a different culture is bad. Good job. Welcome to the 21st century. How do you feel about the recent NATO operation in Libya?

KingTek wrote:

IRAN nuking us is pure madness. Hypothetically say they do get a missile over here. The repercussions would be ......godlike, IRAN would cease to exist as a piece of land. I think they got a few smart people over there, smart enough to realize hitting us with a bomb is mass suicide. If i was an Iranian i would want missiles, but i would never want them used. If i was an Iranian i would HATE America and do everything in my power to remove them from my country. Don't get me wrong, I am a patriot and a I love my country, however I can be empathetic. Thats the keyword to Dr. Pauls platform: empathy.

You're right, Iran would never nuke us. They would nuke Israel. Iran and Israel have been in a sometimes-not-so-underground war since Israel's conception. You know this. You also know that Israel is an ally of the United States, for better or worse. Iran considers us their enemy. We consider their governmental structure to be corrupt and morally wrong on a number of issues; it is essentially an oligarchical theocracy that considers any variation from its principles a threat that must be destroyed, whether it has shown to be one or not. It considers us an enemy, and would crush us if given the chance. The Iranian PEOPLE on the other hand, do not necessarily see it that way. The Iranian government is not a government by the people. The Iranian government has completely stifled political competition, to the point that elections are nothing more than a show. Some Iranians see only the negative consequences of our foreign policy choices, and are fed wild conspiracies by the state run media. They are told from birth that they should run their lives a certain way, because it is the right way. They are nationalists who have been bred to hate America. Many others recognize their government as irreparable, and see the U.S. in a different light. They see us as a savior. They disagree with the forces running their lives, and are persecuted to extreme extents because of it. They protest, and sometimes are never seen again. There are also Iranians who have views everywhere in between. Factual information that has not been tampered with is a hard thing to come by in that part of the world. Poverty prevents any access to many news outlets, and the few that are prevalent are twisted by radical political and religious regimes, both pro- and anti-government.

Now tell me how to empathize with that. What type of Iranian would you be? Would you see it from the viewpoint of the government? If so, would you be the President or Supreme Leader? Or would you see it from a citizen's point of view? Pro-government or anti-government? Do you believe yourself the elections are fraudulent? Iran would still consider us an enemy, even had we never invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. The problem would not just go away.

We need to prepare for the eventuality of war with Iran, should the situation arise. We have no reason to throw the first strike (the Bush doctrine is morally unacceptable), but should Iran attack Israel, we need to be there to honor our commitment as an ally, and stop a potential genocide. And you can bet your ass that's at least part of the reason why we are still in Afghanistan. Should Iran make that move, the Iranian regime would be annihilated in a heartbeat. There are a few complications with that, however, including the extreme anti-American sentiment in Pakistan, and Iran's relations with Russia and China. Souring those relationships requires political maneuvering. Should Iran close the Straight of Hormuz as they have threatened to do, then their relations with China would begin to sour, as they are far more dependent on that oil than we are. Threatening China's economic growth is not something you want to do, considering it is main reason the Chinese government still has support of the people. Without China to back it up, Russia would never intervene on behalf of Iran. The internal political and economic strife would be too much to bear. Russia is not run by complete maniacs.

Now obviously, the best course of action would be to avoid war altogether. Although we should plan for the worst, we need to make the best of the situation. It is fairly obvious it would be much better without the current regime in power in Iran. That does not just give us the right to play world police and take it out, though. That leaves us with two options: an international agreement to intervene with a NATO operation targeting the Iranian government and its nuclear and missile programs (the complications of which have already been discussed), or promoting a legitimate overthrow of the government by the people of Iran. That would involve covert operations.

So add it all up and what does it mean? It means we would be in the situation that we are in right now. This very second. Running away and pretending everything will be alright is absolutely naive. Ron Paul treats these issues like a child. Empathy. Please. It sounds nice, but solves nothing. Total ambivalence is not a foreign policy. Isolationism was proven the wrong strategy, twice. Britain and France can attest to that.

For the record, Dr. Paul has never shown an understanding of the issues as in-depth as this. And I have a two-year degree in IT. Fuck.

Clayton Cross wrote:

i think it doesnt matter what poresident we have cause the Congress Men and the Senates need to agree to pass on anything that the Presidents say

Oh my Lord.

I said this before after one of your posts, but I shall say it again.

I like this kid.

Subject: Re: Support Ron Paul Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:43 pm

tonydeppen wrote:

SlingBlade wrote:

I'm A Dick wrote:

The only thing I dislike about Dr. Paul(If he was such an idiot, I don't think he'd have a PHD) is his foreign policy.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but a degree does not measure your level of intelligence. While more intelligent people tend to work towards higher degrees, have a PhD does not make you an intelligent person. I work on a team of fifteen people, with two who have Master's degrees and one who has a PhD. The person I trust most has a 4 year degree in Public Health Administration. The second most competent has a 2 year liberal arts degree from a community college. If you want Dr. Paul to deliver your baby, I would absolutely trust him with that. Running a country? He needs to prove his competence. So far, with the ideas that have come out of that old old mouth he certainly has not. Maybe I was too harsh on him before. He's not an idiot. He's just a person of average intelligence. He has nowhere near the mental capacity I would want the leader of the free world to have, at least from what I've seen.

I'm A Dick wrote:

I really think this whole idea of other countries wanting to bomb other countries because they disagree with one another's relgious views, or ways of living, is the most outrageous thing ever. IF another form of life ever entered this Earth in an attempt to attack us, mankind would all come together as one to protect what is ours. People might be different all over the world, but that is there choice. This idea that people hate one another or want to attack one another because of being different, is just completely insane. I wish everyone could just realize this. Ok, I'm done ranting.

Yes, bombing other countries because the population has a different culture is bad. Good job. Welcome to the 21st century. How do you feel about the recent NATO operation in Libya?

KingTek wrote:

IRAN nuking us is pure madness. Hypothetically say they do get a missile over here. The repercussions would be ......godlike, IRAN would cease to exist as a piece of land. I think they got a few smart people over there, smart enough to realize hitting us with a bomb is mass suicide. If i was an Iranian i would want missiles, but i would never want them used. If i was an Iranian i would HATE America and do everything in my power to remove them from my country. Don't get me wrong, I am a patriot and a I love my country, however I can be empathetic. Thats the keyword to Dr. Pauls platform: empathy.

You're right, Iran would never nuke us. They would nuke Israel. Iran and Israel have been in a sometimes-not-so-underground war since Israel's conception. You know this. You also know that Israel is an ally of the United States, for better or worse. Iran considers us their enemy. We consider their governmental structure to be corrupt and morally wrong on a number of issues; it is essentially an oligarchical theocracy that considers any variation from its principles a threat that must be destroyed, whether it has shown to be one or not. It considers us an enemy, and would crush us if given the chance. The Iranian PEOPLE on the other hand, do not necessarily see it that way. The Iranian government is not a government by the people. The Iranian government has completely stifled political competition, to the point that elections are nothing more than a show. Some Iranians see only the negative consequences of our foreign policy choices, and are fed wild conspiracies by the state run media. They are told from birth that they should run their lives a certain way, because it is the right way. They are nationalists who have been bred to hate America. Many others recognize their government as irreparable, and see the U.S. in a different light. They see us as a savior. They disagree with the forces running their lives, and are persecuted to extreme extents because of it. They protest, and sometimes are never seen again. There are also Iranians who have views everywhere in between. Factual information that has not been tampered with is a hard thing to come by in that part of the world. Poverty prevents any access to many news outlets, and the few that are prevalent are twisted by radical political and religious regimes, both pro- and anti-government.

Now tell me how to empathize with that. What type of Iranian would you be? Would you see it from the viewpoint of the government? If so, would you be the President or Supreme Leader? Or would you see it from a citizen's point of view? Pro-government or anti-government? Do you believe yourself the elections are fraudulent? Iran would still consider us an enemy, even had we never invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. The problem would not just go away.

We need to prepare for the eventuality of war with Iran, should the situation arise. We have no reason to throw the first strike (the Bush doctrine is morally unacceptable), but should Iran attack Israel, we need to be there to honor our commitment as an ally, and stop a potential genocide. And you can bet your ass that's at least part of the reason why we are still in Afghanistan. Should Iran make that move, the Iranian regime would be annihilated in a heartbeat. There are a few complications with that, however, including the extreme anti-American sentiment in Pakistan, and Iran's relations with Russia and China. Souring those relationships requires political maneuvering. Should Iran close the Straight of Hormuz as they have threatened to do, then their relations with China would begin to sour, as they are far more dependent on that oil than we are. Threatening China's economic growth is not something you want to do, considering it is main reason the Chinese government still has support of the people. Without China to back it up, Russia would never intervene on behalf of Iran. The internal political and economic strife would be too much to bear. Russia is not run by complete maniacs.

Now obviously, the best course of action would be to avoid war altogether. Although we should plan for the worst, we need to make the best of the situation. It is fairly obvious it would be much better without the current regime in power in Iran. That does not just give us the right to play world police and take it out, though. That leaves us with two options: an international agreement to intervene with a NATO operation targeting the Iranian government and its nuclear and missile programs (the complications of which have already been discussed), or promoting a legitimate overthrow of the government by the people of Iran. That would involve covert operations.

So add it all up and what does it mean? It means we would be in the situation that we are in right now. This very second. Running away and pretending everything will be alright is absolutely naive. Ron Paul treats these issues like a child. Empathy. Please. It sounds nice, but solves nothing. Total ambivalence is not a foreign policy. Isolationism was proven the wrong strategy, twice. Britain and France can attest to that.

For the record, Dr. Paul has never shown an understanding of the issues as in-depth as this. And I have a two-year degree in IT. Fuck.

Clayton Cross wrote:

i think it doesnt matter what poresident we have cause the Congress Men and the Senates need to agree to pass on anything that the Presidents say

Oh my Lord.

I said this before after one of your posts, but I shall say it again.

I like this kid.

Being a history major i am well aware of what appeasement is and what it did for poor ol' Neville.
I dont think they will bomb israel cuz they would have to kno thats tantamount to doing it to us.

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