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Chris Segrest BOOTS to ASSES


Number of posts: 144 Age: 15 Location: Florida Federation(s): Florida. GBYWN Rep: 60 Registration date: 2011-08-01
 | Subject: how do you plan matches? Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:36 am | |
| I'm a noob and was just wondering ways to plan matches. At byx brock taught me an interesting way where you plan the finish first and instead of one upping your previous idea you can do something lesser then the finish, I think it was. Brock, correct me if I'm wrong. But I was thinking about when he told me that and was wondering if anyone else had any interesting ways to plan matches. |
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 | Subject: Re: how do you plan matches? Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:43 am | |
| All my matches go like this
Circling hand claps Yell funny remark to audience member (usually Mike Damage) Lock up Chain wrestle Unnecessarily big spot early in the match Opponent takes heat Heat change Take off my pants Proceed to tell someone that I'm blown up High spot High spot Kick to the face Neck bump Canadian Destroyer Neck Bump Shitty plancha Bump on the outside High spot Forget the next high spot High spot Finish _____________________  |
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 | Subject: Re: how do you plan matches? Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:48 am | |
| put emphasis on an opening and a finish. then come up with several key spots. label them a,b,c,d,e ect. but they dont have to go in order. also understand the heat. and the changes of heat. but that is how i would plan a simple singles match. i would go into planning a match like bowes vs i from elite 2010 much differently...much more precise. |
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 | Subject: Re: how do you plan matches? Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:50 am | |
| The last thing I alwyas come up with is the hope spots. Mainly because I fucking hate them. |
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 | Subject: Re: how do you plan matches? Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:52 am | |
| | tonydeppen wrote: | | The last thing I alwyas come up with is the hope spots. Mainly because I fucking hate them. | they usually come last cuz i forget them the most. but im a face again so its important not too. |
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Number of posts: 144 Age: 15 Location: Florida Federation(s): Florida. GBYWN Rep: 60 Registration date: 2011-08-01
 | Subject: Re: how do you plan matches? Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:53 am | |
| | KingTek wrote: | | put emphasis on an opening and a finish. then come up with several key spots. label them a,b,c,d,e ect. but they dont have to go in order. also understand the heat. and the changes of heat. but that is how i would plan a simple singles match. i would go into planning a match like bowes vs i from elite 2010 much differently...much more precise. |
so for the A,B,c's when we call for.a spot you can.just let them know the letter and snap just like that. |
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 | Subject: Re: how do you plan matches? Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:57 am | |
| Definitely don't do that. |
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 | Subject: Re: how do you plan matches? Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:04 am | |
| I always love seeing how other people plan matches. I wrestled a lot of different dudes this year and realized that every one plans differently and has different names for every thing. But this is the layout that I use in my head every single time I plan a match at a supershow. Even if my opponent is planning their way, this is how I construct it in my head.
Shine and Cutoff - Start the match off with the face one-upping the heel with a bunch of shit (shine), then the heel eventually finds a way to cut them off. Either by catching onto their shit or cheating like a douche.
Heat - Heel does really simple stuff to work the face over and get dudes to root for the face. You don't have to plan this part at all, just do whatever. For now I'd just worry about doing stuff that's more boring than what the face is gonna do in the upcoming sequences so it makes the face look cool as fuck when he does his stuff. Start adding more heel-ish stuff in there as you get used to everything.
Hopespot - Some dudes call it a false comeback, some call it a heat spot, I've heard it called a million different things. But it's the same principal. The face starts to make a comeback, but gets cut off by the heel again. Can be something as simple as a the heel having them in a chinlock, face starts to fire up, heel grabs their hair and mat slams them. I usually have two of these and I find a way to work my bigger moves into them rather than going the simple route. But it all depends on who you're wrestling and what you're comfortable with.
Heat - Same shit as before. I usually keep the dude grounded and just knee drop them and shit so they can have a long break from here til their comeback.
Double Down - The face can reverse something of yours and hit one of their big moves. You're both down for a bit theeeeen..
Comeback - Face makes his comeback and gets all his stuff in. These are supposed to be really fast paced, but in yarding it's usually just the face doing all of his signature moves in a row lol.
False finishes/finish - Heel hits a finisher, face kicks out, face hits a finisher, heel kicks out. Pretty much happens over and over until someone loses. You can plan some cool little sequences in there once you get the hang of it.
The way I drilled this stuff into my head is by planning quick 5 minute matches with my friends and just doing them over and over and eventually it became a part of every single one of my matches. If it's a face vs. face match, same concept. Just don't act like a dick and pick one guy to play the role of the would-be face if it were heel vs. face. If one face is bigger than the other, obviously he should be the one playing the role of the heel. It seems confusing now, but once you get the hang of it, it's really simple. From my experience this is how a lot of dudes plan, some just have different names for everything and all that. Hopefully it helps! |
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 | Subject: Re: how do you plan matches? Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:12 am | |
| Thankss Matt. That's really helpful. Much appriciated |
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 | Subject: Re: how do you plan matches? Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:19 am | |
| I like to plan teh double down after the faces comeback. Then give a little more come back after that.
Example ; When Tj and I wrestled. I staretd coming back, hit a bunch of things. He reversed it into a combo, but I cut off his combo with a pele. Both down. Me: From getting my last wind to come from my comeback and the heel is down due to me hitting him with my comeback. |
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 | Subject: Re: how do you plan matches? Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:17 am | |
| They've all covered the 7 stages and whatnot, so I'll tell you how I'm able to incorporate the big fancy spots in my matches with no problems.
My method is completely different from pretty much anyone and has drawn A LOT of criticism towards my opponents and myself, but I've never cared. Basically, I use my football play-call wristband (the ones you see the Quarterbacks wearing, with the play-call numbers written in it) and I slip a note card in there, with all the big planned spots written on it, stages, psychology notes, ETC. Whenever I take a bump and I sell, I kind of survey the band and communicate with my opponent to let them know what we're doing next. Flow never gets disrupted, and spots are almost NEVER forgotten.
I understand not following my method, because there likely isn't anyone else here who has played football (more specifically, quarterback) that would own one. But I'd still HIGHLY recommend getting one if you're a newer yarder. They're cheap at sporting goods stores and, in my case, looks really cool along with the rest of my gear. |
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 | Subject: Re: how do you plan matches? Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:20 am | |
| I got everything in my head. I never forget! However, that's a good idea if someone has a tough time remembering spots. |
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 | Subject: Re: how do you plan matches? Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:05 am | |
| I go by the Bill Goldberg philosophy when it comes to a match.
Lock up throw your opponent Lock up again. Opponent punches me Kick him in the face. Spear him Jackhammer. Finish. I win. _____________________ www.facebook.com/jbrandall11 www.youtube.com/user/cwarandamizer www.twitter.com/#!/KongFooRANDA
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|  | | xtwtoxick Its Bsnowing


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 | Subject: Re: how do you plan matches? Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:59 am | |
| i usually let the person i am wrestling plan it out then if i come up with something i'll throw it in with the person's set up |
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 | Subject: Re: how do you plan matches? Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:59 am | |
| | Blane wrote: | My method is completely different from pretty much anyone and has drawn A LOT of criticism towards my opponents and myself, but I've never cared. Basically, I use my football play-call wristband (the ones you see the Quarterbacks wearing, with the play-call numbers written in it) and I slip a note card in there, with all the big planned spots written on it, stages, psychology notes, ETC. Whenever I take a bump and I sell, I kind of survey the band and communicate with my opponent to let them know what we're doing next. Flow never gets disrupted, and spots are almost NEVER forgotten. |
I feel like that's a little silly but absolutely genius.
And Chris, you've already seen how I plan matches, but that's not always the case. A lot of times I plan out spots that would be really cool based simply upon my opponent(s)'s moveset and my own. Then I incorporate any special characteristics of the venue and whatever stipulation the match has to put a little spin on it. Then I use those to plan out a match, big spot by big spot, and then you just call everything else in the ring. _____________________ | tonyficaccio wrote: | not badass is ao and bushleauge. |
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 | Subject: Re: how do you plan matches? Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:00 am | |
| | xtwtoxick wrote: | | i usually let the person i am wrestling plan it out then if i come up with something i'll throw it in with the person's set up |
What if you work someone who isn't very experienced and doesn't know how to really plan a match out?
Also, I believe in always planning the finish first. You've got to know what you're building torwards. A good artists always knows what he's going to paint before he paints it. |
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 | Subject: Re: how do you plan matches? Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:46 am | |
| | Blane wrote: | They've all covered the 7 stages and whatnot, so I'll tell you how I'm able to incorporate the big fancy spots in my matches with no problems.
My method is completely different from pretty much anyone and has drawn A LOT of criticism towards my opponents and myself, but I've never cared. Basically, I use my football play-call wristband (the ones you see the Quarterbacks wearing, with the play-call numbers written in it) and I slip a note card in there, with all the big planned spots written on it, stages, psychology notes, ETC. Whenever I take a bump and I sell, I kind of survey the band and communicate with my opponent to let them know what we're doing next. Flow never gets disrupted, and spots are almost NEVER forgotten. |
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 | Subject: Re: how do you plan matches? Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:40 am | |
| i think we're underestimating how AWESOME joey's match structure is. _____________________  |
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 | Subject: Re: how do you plan matches? Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:33 pm | |
| Plan the finish first, and then plan the opening work up to the end. I usually plan a few false finishes, the double down, and a good comeback spot and then call everything else by ear. And then explain any moves that your opponent or yourself do that you may not know. |
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 | Subject: Re: how do you plan matches? Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:46 pm | |
| | Rectifier wrote: | | Plan the finish first, and then plan the opening work up to the end. I usually plan a few false finishes, the double down, and a good comeback spot and then call everything else by ear. And then explain any moves that your opponent or yourself do that you may not know. |
Pretty much this. Always plan the finish first. Just makes sense. If you know how you're gonna finish your opponent, you can fill in the lesser parts and use proper filler - for example, say you want to make your opponent tap out with a back submission like a camel clutch. You would hit "Autobots...ROLL OUT" to their back instead of their front. That way it keeps working towards your finish. You could do the same thing if you were working the arm, leg, chest, etc. Only body part I wouldn't recommend doing that move to is the head, lol. Not until you have complete control over it anyway, there's a certain way to bump it to make it safe enough for that. Once you have a finish, you can plan how you open, who takes control. Then Double Down and hopespots and false finishes. Most of the time, I don't need to plan heat, as I fill it with big strikes, rest hold submissions, and neck work.
Hopespots, like Matt said, can be really simple, but then you can chain some of those simple hope spots together - Heel has a headlock, face fights out, heel pulls face to mat. Heel taunts, picks up face, irish whip, Face ducks clothesline, springboard crossbody. Pin, less than one count, kickout. Quick get up, heel goes for big strike, face ducks under into roll up, 2 count. Heel kicks out, face goes off ropes, gets caught with big move/strike (Sideslam/Big Boot for example). That was a couple simple hopespots, chained together to give the face life and make him look like a fighter and give him hope. Hence the name - hopespot. It's a very generic one, but one that you can mess with and alter something here or there, and you could use it over and over and over again.
NOTE: Unless you use Blane's method, know that someone is always going to forget or fuck up a spot/move. Doesn't matter who the opponent is, if he doesn't fuck up, chances are you will. Blane's method would work, especially being a younger guy, but it can easily become a crutch and something you rely on much more than you should. Plus, being able to cover up mess-ups and such well is what makes a really good wrestler.
Also: There's nothing wrong with calling something in the ring, or if someone forgets something, just say the spot to them. For example, in my fourway with Brock, Clayton, and Ryan - someone skipped a major spot in the match, and as I was selling I reminded someone that they had to set up for a move. I didn't yell it out, and maybe 2 people standing right around the ring might have heard it, but they didn't know what it was - so it's all good. The thing is, don't just stand there and tell them - lock on a rest hold - chin lock, headlock, armbar, etc - something where you can talk, and the other guy can listen. |
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